least 18 years, if not longer. his view is closer to the lighthizer/navarro view. yes, we should get a deal, but it should be enforceable, verifiable, let's not get tricked again. the chinese know all this. they know about the two factions. it's in their newspapers every day. they copy the "wall street journal" reporting on it. the chinese view is let's make a low-ball offer that will please steve mnuchin and larry kudlow and exacerbate the split between these two groups, see what happens. because others and probably myself would not like an agreement that's like the old salt agreements that, you know there was no verify. just trust. >> do you think trump will be tough? >> if his books are any guide from the last 18 years, he'll be tough. he's closer to lighthizer and navarro than to steve mnuchin. >> a pleasure to have you on. i hope we can have you on again. >> thank you. next on "gps," tiny bhutan may not have a high gdp, but it