thing to stem the tide of people coming over here illegally. people of the united states and for the immigrants who seek to come here. >> congressman, i see your point if the cato institute, a people dealing with these crimes and the impact on the families. one point that was made is that points don't -- they commit crimes at the lesser degree than people who are not immigrants, than american. and when it comes to fentanyl, i see your point except that that fentanyl isn't coming across the border, it is coming across the border but through ports of entry, most of it -- the vast majority of it is coming through points of entry, it's not being crept across the border as you and other republicans seem to indicate that it is, so what do you say to those facts? >> well, i'm glad you raise that