they've often felt the white house phone system was intrusive because there might be an operator there listening to you and who knows who was taking what notes. when president nixon was in office and he dealt with the russians he asked our general to serve as the interpreter, and walters was show trusted by the russians he was the interpreter for both sides. nobody else was in the room. we don't even know if there are any notes left. i imagine he threw them away. >> we do know the russians have notes and very detailed notes and you imagine that could be leverage over this president given they know what was in that conversation. the president in that meeting thinking he's negotiating on his own not understanding he's a representative of the american people, the american interests, and we have a right to those notes. >> one other point, it's not just about his staff. it's really important the secretary of state and secretary of defense, the national security adviser, the principles to the president, the people who are with him in the situation room in high-powered meetings,