giuliani has said in recent days but he now says he didn't even say that, is that right? >> well, yes, i talked to him about that. he disputes that the president gave that quote. he said he was speaking hypothetically, that's not what he meant. he didn't mean in any of these interviews whether on sundays with jake or subsequently trying to explain it, he didn't mean to say anything different than what he said a month or two ago, which is that the president doesn't remember exactly when he stopped talking about the trump tower moskow project with michael cohen. he thought it was the beginning of 2016, but they left wiggle room because he just doesn't remember. >> all right, dana bash, thank you. a lot to get to tonight with chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin and mike shields. rudy giuliani says he's not lying for the president, but something's going on.