criticize them so much. those are his two primary worries. but it's interesting because some of his aides in his campaign and even inside the white house are worried more about a generational challenger, kamala harris, that presents different than donald trump. that's becoming an increasing more concern for aides. the president is focused on joe biden and elizabeth warren. >> ayesha, reaching out to beto o'rourke, who said i'm not doing interviews right now. not ready to speak to reporters until i've made a decision about what's next. but he is doing an interview with oprah next week. >> that's a much bigger platform right there. >> not a reporter. >> good point. >> who can kind of electrify like the younger voters, get them out there, people of color, black people? have these people come out and get them to go to the polls? that would have made a