that $5.7 billion, but is he indicating that he's willing to budge on that? >> yes. >> yes? how? >> absolutely. i think so. so when you saw mick mulvaney, who is the acting chief of staff, as well as north carolina congressman mark meadows, who is the chairman of the freedom caucus, very conservative wing of the republican party, both have said today on the sunday shows he's going to get his money one way or the other. i feel like that "or the other" was that wiggle room. i don't know if we know what that is, but it tells us that the potential for a shutdown doesn't happen, and that there's other ways that the president is exploring to get what he wants. >> so carmen, democrats have said, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer has said there is no
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