it down that i heard of. >> the mayor is not calling for that. david gergen, go ahead. >> i think we ought to keep very clear in our minds the distinction of a wall, 30-foot concrete wall, especially, paid for by the mexicans especially, and continuation of putting more barriers up of the kind that we've seen under the obama administration. i mean, to proclaim this, the president got something really, really measured out of this, i don't think, fits the facts. he is likely -- i'm sure they will not describe this coming out of there on both sides as a wall. maybe the republican also call it that, but the democrats won't. they'll call it a barrier. and there is a distinction. >> david gergen, adolfo, kerstin. as i said, this got a lot more interesting over the last few minutes. former white house insider is now suing the president. we'll tell you why, when we come back.