rick gates is a felon. >> absolutely. >> george papadopoulos is a felon. >> absolutely. >> how many felons do you want around him? six or seven? what's enough? >> bakary, until -- let's just go put a pin in it and wind way back. when you look at this, and this is what you hear from the republican side and the white house, to understand this, none of this has to do with russian collusion. this has to do with -- and it's not correct. you shouldn't do this, obviously, but you can't lie to the fbi. you can't lie to congress. but none of it goes back to the president, and none of it goes back to russian collusion. >> we'll leave it there. david, bakari, good conversation. thank you. just ahead, with the mueller report due out perhaps in a matter of days, we look at what we can expect. also the big question, of course, at a time like this, what must it be like to be inside the president's head? we'll speak to one person who is about as qualified as anyone on the subject, "new york times's" maggie haberman. and coming up, breaking news in the jussie smollett saga after a day that saw him arrested, charged with a felony. that's him leaving, leaving the