cohen, the more this is on the forefront of the news that it helped him up to this point from some of the independents he's lost. they think it's too much. whether michael cohen will change the dynamic, we'll see. i find it absolutely fascinating. >> he does have information that's close to the president. with that hardening of the positions, is it polarization? people become impervious to reason. it's dangerous for the country. people are retreating to their own camps. it's dangerous for democracy. >> i put michael cohen in a different category. this isn't just a different thread. we think this is what robert mueller is thinking. this is somebody testifying who knew him who was his foot soldier. that just is a whole different way of hearing something. >> must see tv tomorrow. >> along these lines it was interesting to hear from rod