that may be appropriate, that may be accurate, but now you have to go through and prove it. i think he wanted to be the victim in this. i would never ask nor never take a pardon. would he rather go to jail for three years than take a pardon? i doubt it. that credibility part is key. now they'll have to go back and prove every single attllegation with something other than his testimony. >> i want to talk about speaker of the house. he said they got ahead of its skis in determining a national emergency on the border. thank goodness we have this thing called the courts. he said, i would always look for another way to do it. on the board wall, don't need a wall from sea to shining sea, and that migrants overwhelmingly are not criminals. we've heard something like that before about them not being