pardon? >> we learn to not bet what donald trump is going to do. look, we know from michael cohen's lawyer and his assessment that trump seems to be suggesting or people around the president are suggesting pardons are on the table. he said before and now the president's lawyer that manafort is not a victim of the witch hunt. it is amazing. you steal millions of dollars from taxpayers and you engaged in crimes that enrich yourself and somehow you are the victim here. >> and convicted and admitted, pleading guilty. it is insane. >> yes. >> i just want to put an exclamation point on your point there. >> it is amazing. he's better than the average thief, he's better than stealing money. he stole a lot more than the average thieve does. look, you will see at least talk of pardons coming soon.