encryption key. so in that way it is secure. >> it is secure. the but is that we have learned that apparently this is according to kushner's lawyer jared kushner actually took screen shots of said conversations on highly secure whatsapp and then used his official white house email to email those along. now let me get this in because the administration official also says that all communication must be screen shot so no classified information is involved. but i'm thinking screen shot, cloud, it is sort of out there in the ether. >> definitely because we don't know is that platform fully encrypted from the moment it leaves the desktop or wherever it ends up. it is a completely different thing. it is outside of whatsapp. it is a different system. and i get it, they are trying to find a way of quickly sharing what is obviously important information. i should say also that whatsapp is secure, but it is not an official app.