for their meeting at the g-20 summit back when he was around. he said that this put the u.s. at a disadvantage, and he questioned whether the president was guided by american values. what are you hearing from your sources about in? >> well, i spoke with somebody who is close to both tillerson and to the president who said that tillerson hasn't gotten over the way he was fired, unceremoniously, former ceo of exxon isn't used to that, and -- and he hasn't gotten over the way quite frank lit way he was treated inside the white house. tillerson was a complicated guy. we know he didn't get great rates as secretary of state internally from people who work at the state department, but he felt that jared was kind of freelancing foreign policy, and he let him do it for a while because he didn't want to get in a fight with him, but in the end it made it difficult for him to do his job, and so at this point tillerson isn't giving major media interviews and all the rest, but when he was asked to