it was a live podcast. there was a come on stage. >> yes. >> she was confused about the definition of racism. >> very confused. >> it would have been easy for you to -- >> pop off. >> it was like watching a jedi looking at somebody like you don't know how to use a light saber and it's not worth it. >> it's not about white people. it's about white supremacy, and white people have to disinvest from this stuff. and they're not going to if every time there's some hectic shit going on you got to pull out the light saber. at the end of the day, they're not going to come back. >> yeah. >> and you need them to come back. >> yeah. >> but for the most part i think what's real is white people are not taught about how they've been put in a position of power, and that's exactly how it's allowed to fester and continue. and then from there you don't stop there and just be the most conscious and not do shit. >> yeah.