attention of candidates. we saw last cycle when someone got on stage with bernie sanders to try to protest his -- there were black lives matter protesters that got on the stage with him and drowned him out. that means these candidates have a balancing act. harris on the one hand is early. still wants to have a lot of access, direct access to voters, being able to walk the rope line and take selfies as a lot of these candidates do before things become more intense and before secret service is even assigned to the ultimate final candidates. >> anita, it's really trying to strike a balance. access being, you know, i guess, up close and personal, you know, with the voters, yet at the same time trying to strike a balance on how far is too far or, you know, what kind of barriers need to be put in place. new barriers to make sure that people don't get too comfortable. >> i think we've seen a lot of changes since 2016. it's always sort of been going