armies, rival gangs, and it doesn't seem like either one of you were fully thinking of the other person as a human being as much as a combatant. >> as dehumanizing as it is in some respects, that's almost a requirement of the efficiency needed to be able to do it every day without going crazy or, you know, you know, you know, falling into depression. >> a little bit of dehumanizing of the people you have to mis. >> yes. >> from his point of view, he's dehumanizing the people that are trying to police him. >> i'd be speaking for him if i said anything in that respect, but that seemed to ring true to me. >> i mean, let's just talk about that, though, because for -- literally it seems sometimes you like turn on a tv and every other day there's some videotape, social media incident, involving a white police officer and a young african-american. from your perspective, what -- how do you make sense of all that?