comfort for trump. is there a chance that these tariffs don't end up materializing? catherine, you sort of alluded to it earlier, but go on. >> yes. i think to build off of exactly what catherine said, what my reporting tells me is that when it comes to trump kind of making these, as you put it, don, really drastic threats, they're less, you know, an indication of something that will actually materialize than they are a way for trump to feel like he is kind of the tough man that he wants to be, a person of bombast in a moment when he thinks maybe he is getting the short stick from the media or something of that nature. so i think it's entirely possible that june 10th creeps up on us and we are no longer talking about this anymore. >> oh, boy. >> it really depends at this point what jared kushner and mexican officials can talk about, but, again, as so often happens with donald trump, a week from now, we could be on to something else entirely. >> i think your prediction is