bring out the truth, not just in the pages of the mueller report, because let's be honest, people aren't going to read it, but giving them the faces and showing them the places that make clear and plain what was done and what wasn't done. >> and that's actually exactly what they're doing. they're going through this process to get trump and his cronies in front of the judiciary committee to answer questions. >> right. but the way they're doing it now, they're getting stymied all over the place because they're not at maximal power. >> they're not at maximal -- so your argument is they should start impeachment proceedings so that they can be at maximal power. we don't know that. >> my argument is if that's what they think their job is they should do that and stop not doing it because they're worried about the political consequences. whether they do it or not is their call. >> i look at it a different way. >> please. >> their job is to get rid of donald trump who is a threat to the nation, the best way to do that is the best way to do that. you might be ready to proceed with impeachment proceedings, it's not going to work.