meet with members of congress. so that's what i read into this. i think it's him sort of saying what don jr. did isn't a problem. of course, yeah, i would do it, who wouldn't do it? that kind of stuff. and i think that -- i think you're right. most americans probably don't understand all the ins and outs of what you're supposed to take when you're on a campaign and may think that sounds logical. if somebody comes and gives you information. but here's the thing. even if the information wasn't gained through hacking into an email or some other nefarious way, let's just say that russia put together oppo research, they decided we hate hillary clinton, it's not hillary clinton anymore, so now we hate whoever we hate this time around and we're going to get you as much information as possible, and in various governments around the world start doing that and why wouldn't they, frankly, after what they just heard? they go and give the information. whether it's illegal or not, i don't know, you'd have to ask a