you need to have universality. just like with social security and medicare. we need to do that with college debt. >> is it two wrongs making a right? we bailed out wall street arguably. the senators thinks we did it in the wrong way, so does elizabeth warren. is this also a wrong? the loans for the government, it's their biggest asset on their balance sheet. not only would you be forgiving the debt, you would be taking away the largest asset of the united states government. >> i hope you sense my frustration about this question because when donald trump passed a corporate tax cut, do you know how much that cost? do people even know? >> a ton. >> over $2 trillion over ten years and then by the way, when we saved wall street, how much did that cost? tens of trillions of dollars. and now we're talking about $1.6 trillion to alleviate student debt and all of a sudden -- >> because they're all troubling. what they did with the wall street bailout.