virgin islands. so they should have -- he should have asked for help. he should have continued the case. he should have tried, for example, flip one of the people who worked for him. he had a whole menagerie of people who worked for him. pilots and schedulers and drivers, you know, it just went on and on and on. and so why didn't you get one of them to talk? why didn't you get his computers? his computers were -- they never subpoenaed his computers. >> these are all such interesting questions. and more obviously will come out now that he's going to be -- he has been charged in new york. and it just feels that this is the tip of the iceberg and we have not seen the last of this case. julie k. brown, great to talk to you here. this morning the mayor of washington, d.c., says the president's elaborate july 4th celebration bankrupted a fund the city uses for security. what she wants the white house