shawna was just talking about there. >> to shawna's point, think about our politics 20, 30 years ago. there was at least this philosophical debate about the size of role of government. and that was by and large what defined what it meant to be a liberal or conservative, a republican or democrat. and that has slowly dissolved over the years. again, we kaecannot try to lay this at donald trump's footstep. but trump has now weaponized it to. and to point you all were talking about earlier, he doesn't want this election to be about policy. he doesn't want it to be about ideology. ideology means nothing to the president. he does not have necessarily a coherent comprehensive