be multiple counts of obstruction of justice. the answer to that question. it will be very powerful to hear it come from mueller himself. >> julian. >> in 98 when we were defending president clinton. it was easier to play defense than the republicans to play offense. particularly when public opinion shifted against impeachment. as it had done here. it seems the republican play book is careful to stick with the bottom line conclusion of mueller which is there was no under lying criminal conspiracy. and he will continue to remain not committal on the question of obstruction. as he probably has to. it seems to me the game you have to play is to get him to commit to the idea that i wasn't really making a final judgment on some of the legal questions. i was deferring to congress. and you have to get into what are going to be very graphic details. it's true there wasn't evidence of conspiracy. but that doesn't mean there