sanders and elizabeth warren were. you heard much more about it from john delaney and the others. it was there, much stronger and louder. >> that is fair. it comes from people with governing experience. they tend to be centrists and it's not an ideological debating society. this is serious. it's later than you think. for folks who say, i have a plan and not worry about passage or the price and attack anyone who opposes it is not a sign of being well moored when it comes to governing. that's the reality we have to face. it's a good sign that the senator is getting his back up and saying these are principled positions that are deeply held. this is not just expediency. >> also, arlitt, i thought tactically what we saw last