border crossings, mr. secretary, another former member of the obama administration, the former homeland security, secretary jeh johns johnson, a man you know well, has said that the policy you proposed would be tantamount to a policy that borders would be open to all, end quote. would your policy incentivize migrants to cross into the united states illegally? >> i think upon future reflection that secretary johnson, whom i respect a lot, will recognize that that was very mellow dramatic and incorrect. that's a lot of hyperbole. i think one day he'll walk that back. so let's just look at what's happened to the trump administration. actually, more people have come to the border in the last couple of months when donald trump took office. so his cruelty, his family separation, his putting these little children on the floor with mylar blankets and not giving them enough to eat and