any suggestion of sex with underage minors is untrue. she was told to have sex with bill richardson. a spokeswoman calling the allegation false. saying in bill richard's limited interactions he never saw him in the presence of young or underage girls. governor richardsons has never been to the residence in the virgin islands and never met miss giuffre. joining us now, vikki ward who profiled epstein for vanity fair. cnn, the "washington post", other news outlets combing through 2,000 pages of newly unsealed documents. everything epstein tried to protect for decades was coming out. do you think he just couldn't live in that reality? >> you know, i don't think jeffrey epstein has ever lived in reality. i mean, i spoke today to steve