it always has been. it includes a lot of family. is that a red flag itself, keeping the inner circling of an organization like this small? >> not necessarily. i think it's more o a reflection they do not have nearly as much business as former president donald trump advertised, but it does mean there's a smaller universe of people who know what happened there, and that's why allen weisselberg is so key. michael cohen, for example, who's cooperating, obviously worked there for ten years, but he doesn't know the ins and outs of the finances. he doesn't know what representations were made to insurance companies or bank lenders or tax authorities, so he is not the witness that can get you to donald trump. you need someone who was dealing with those specific applications and representations to authorities who would be able to then cooperate and testify