january 6th. and they worry that nationalism could, in fact, take over in the united states. so biden is trying to say, no, no, no. here is where we are, but it is -- it is a mixed message, and i think there are going to be lots of leaders questioning this. and leaders have changed. he knows some of them. some of them, he doesn't. and i think it makes his job much more difficult because when you used to talk about american values, america's commitment to democracy, et cetera, et cetera, it was kind of a given. at this point, given what's going on in this country, there are going to be lots of leaders questioning that and questioning just what the future of this country will be, particularly vis-a-vis voting and free and fair elections. >> yep. thank you so much, gloria borger, phil mattingly and