united states. and he said -- he told "politico" -- that there were cabinet members in the intelligence community who were providing pressure on him, i think, to -- to kind of get this all done. and as a result, we have what we have. my big question, that remains unanswered, is what evidence was provided to a grand jury, to get the -- these phone numbers? i mean, what evidence did they have? that all of these numbers need to be tracked. we -- we just don't know. >> was it properly predicated? answer might come from the inspector-general report. we just don't know. so, maggie, you know, what do you make of all this reporting? because there is some irony here, right? that president trump was virtually always complaining that people are investigating him. but his own justice department was involved in this -- this sweeping, and as we have been told, reasonably unprecedented or phishing expedition as gloria