many other kids are there who aren't even in that? >> one of the things we liked about this program, becoming a man, was they didn't focus on the superstars, right? that they deliberately target not the kids who are either in the most trouble or are most successful in defying the odds. but the kids who are right there, sort of in the middle, that can tip in either direction, that if they get an encouraging adult, if they are able to, as lazarus was expressing there, if they can find words to tell their story and express themselves and talk out what they're feeling, they can succeed. and that's part of what i think made this conversation wonderful, is, these kids aren't like sort of one in a million.