time. so the two leaders are really signaling to one another that they want to get rid of all the emotional talk around this meeting and really get down to business. it was quite interesting because we heard from the russian side earlier today who said that the russians believe even if there is not a final communiqué, if there is not many things in the way of written agreements they still believe that this meeting could be useful because the relation right side such a low point, they want to bring more predictability, stability and lines of communication into the relationship between the united states and russia. now, of course, both sides say that there are going to be topics that will be touched on where there is not going to be any agreement, where it can't be achieved. for instance, ukraine would seem to be a tough topic. one of the things the russians acknowledged today is that alexei navalny and his fate will be on the agenda as well in this meeting. and then there are other areas where both sides believe perhaps some headway can be achieved, arms control is one of those areas, the situation in