of a precipice, right? tens of thoses on the u.s. border. alexei navalny facing death. he reached out and said we have to talk now to make sure it doesn't get worse. they pulled back from that precipice, but since then there have been other consequential russian cyber attacks, so still a very tense situation with genuine disagreements, and one, we should note, biden arrives with the allies unified in standing up to those threats. >> the first talks after the photo ops, the welcoming that we're about to see will include the two presidents plus secretary of state tony blinken and the russian foreign minister sergey lavrov. the four of them will meet in the first round and later in the day, it will be them. >> we're hearing the appetizer