>> punk rock was so effing scary, to us. because, here we are with our big, majestic songs. and here comes punk with their -- >> the ramons get started. as a reaction to everything else that's going on. people see them and they go, this is the answer. >> i had to see how great rock and roll is supposed to be done. >> how should it be done? >> no pyrotechnics, no phony showmanship. just pure stamina. >> it's just real and raw, and there's no crap involved.