the a.g. said afterwards they are going to change the rules and caudify the rules. what's your impression of the takeaway? was this an instructive and confident meeting? >> we are encouraged and hopeful that the promises the doj is making appear to be set in stone. it's important that barbara starr and katelyn have the right to do the work you need to do and not fearing that the doj was going to go into someone's e-mail accounts, personal phones, certainly not without being able to tell the journalist that. so we are hopeful changes are going to be structural and in writing, and we'll see if that happens. hopefully it will. >> i'm grateful for these reminders of how important the legal department is. two newsrooms. katelyn, bottom line, you couldn't do your job without drew. >> not at all. and the stories we've been able to tell because of the efforts