extraordinary. look, it's hard to fly this plane but if you got a pilot like joe biden, you can actually get it off the ground, move forward. now, he is going to have to land that plane with democrats only but it's still good and i think we ought to, every now and again, take yes for an answer from republicans who want to be constructive. i think joe biden is [ inaudible ] today. >> how realistic is it, gloria, that congress can pull off that dual track? passing the traditional-infrastructure deal? and a much bigger, progressive package that could be passed through what's called reconciliation? >> as nancy pelosi said, she wants to see that happen in the senate, first. before she has votes in the house. so, look. it's going to be very difficult but i want to echo what van said. which is, just take a moment, and stop and think. when was the last time you saw a president standing with republicans and democrats at the white house saying we have a deal? we, all, agree on something. we haven't done anything on infrastructure in this country,