vice president. so certainly her team is looking to put that aside. but the vice president saying today as she arrived in el paso that she always did plan to come to the border but she wanted to do it after having visited guatemala and mexico to view the root causes up close and now she's seeing what she said are the effects of those root causes which is that surge in migration. and lastly, this is also where family separation policy saw its first test in 2017. there was a pilot program. and there is an attempt to contrast the immigration policies and border security policies of the biden/harris administration versus what happened under former president trump. >> jeremy diamond, thank you very much. and we see vice president harris beginning this tour of the facilities there talking with officials about it. thank you for that update. let's bring in ryan lizza to discuss chief washington correspondent and white house reporter for the "wall street journal." good morning to both of you