of force, i think that's important, and it's far above what the minnesota sentencing guidelines say and sets a new standard for police accountability going forward. and it's important to remember 13 months ago today george floyd was callously murdered, and whether it's 22 1/2 years or 30 years, the sentence is not going to bring him back, and you and i have talked in the past, even before the floyd stuff, about just the nation's history here. and how sad it's been that people don't get any justice at all, the victims. so this is a start today. it's only a start. >> neil, i want to continue to talk with you. before we continue, i want to play more of what we heard from judge cay hill, and then we'll discuss. here it is. >> i'm not going to attempt to be profound or clever, because it's not the appropriate time.