pushing that stone up the mountain for a long time. what do you make of this particular reform? >> well, to the extent that it puts more chases in the hands of parents and kids, it's all good. i mean, the problem with public education today is that the teachers unions have a vice grip. >> paul: on local governments. >> on local governments and the balance of power is out of whack here. the system is set up to benefit the adults that run the system versus the kids, that are supposed to be-- why are bad schools closing because it means fewer jobs, and the concerns of the kids are secondary. >> paul: right. >> so to the extent that it gives parents the ability to make choices, it's all good. i mean, a lot of it, i think, will depend on the trigger that they decide to use. i mean, and if they decide to use it, under no child left behind, parents had the option of transferring kids out of failing schools since 2002. very few have done it. so, first you'll need parents to take the initiative to take
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