support the brooklyn bridge. neil livingston is a terrorism expert and chairman, chief executive of executive action. these were all plots, neil, but how do we know -- do we know more about how close any of them came into being put into operation? >> jon, we really don't right now, but it doesn't appear that any of these seemed very close to reality it looks like the al-qaeda apparatus talked about this, and it concerned an individual by the name of baracka, he is now being held in guantanamo, he is the oldest guy that is in the prisoner population there. he was a travel agent in new york city, and he lived in this country for many years, and apparently, he was in direct communication with khalid shaikh mohammed and possibly even at one point with osama bin laden. and they talked about all these plots, and others as well, such as just turning on the gas in apartments in