the average 18 to 25-year-old male 14 seconds to climb it. >> bill: tucson is a big city. i don't understand why all 83 miles doesn't have a fence on it a fence indeed a no climb fence. why wouldn't it have that. >> i'm sitting here in tucson which isn't in my county. i'm down in tombstone. the studio is here. >> bill: i know that but the whole border, basically, is impacted by people coming across. they go to tucson. they go to bisby. wherever their organization tells them to go, they go. 83 miles doesn't seem hard to build a fence. you guys could probably build it yourself. >> you can the problem is the fence has no value if you can't watch it you know, i have 86 deputies to patrol almost 6300 square miles. border patrol has 1300 agents to protect. 83 and a half miles of border. now, i will tell you, those agents work their butts off. >> i know. but what i'm trying to get at