anwr there is wilderness. there is refuge area. there are some more beautiful more san ic landscapes to look at. the 1002 area the 1.5 million acres set aside for the oil and gas development, including the 2,000 acres needed for the footprint for the development, that's the barren remoteness that you are looking at. >> greta: you don't have a sense of how big this is unless you come up and look q >> absolutely that's key. to consider the 20 million acres of this, plus the 23 million acres, that is pretty much adjacent to the national petroleum reserve alaska area. tens of millions of acreages that are so vast. so remote. yeah, people don't understand even what kind of context we're talking until they get up here. >> greta: todd, can you understand any of the environmental concerns or complaints about this from people? >> working on the slope close
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