skin in the game, nobody is blameless. and if someone were to actually follow president obama's trail on these message points, you'd end up going in a circle. it's very confusing for people. >> i know. three press conferences in about 10 days and the tone was different each and every time. >> right. message t message too, could anybody say what is the white house proposal on the debt ceiling? >> i like at the press conference on monday, somebody said can you give us some specific? give us some specifics on cuts to entitlement? no, not talking about details. people want details. >> for the people who are paying attention, they do want the details and plus, you can't ask a a republican congress to ask for something without details. that's where president obama is different from president clinton. in 1995 and 1997 president clinton offered a deal to republicans that they could swallow and then he was able to turn that around and say look what i did. >> uh-huh. worked out for him. >> dana, there's something