handle the pensions, he said well, i want to know really, rick perry, how do we understand where you're coming from? what are you going to feel today as opposed to yesterday. i think rick perry was weak at one point trying to prove mitt romney a flip-flopper. that never came out and the reason why they seemed to spar is because they were mentioning each other in their answers and when you mention the person in their answer. >> 30 seconds. >> you get 30 seconds to respond. >> is that always the rule or just last night? >> i made the rule and i might change it. no, i think it was just last night. >> all right. anyway, that made for the fact that maybe you didn't hear from the other candidas as much as you may have wanted to. i know our e-mailers have a variety of opinions about who they thought won. we'll share that in a moment. let's go back in history a little bit. i find that fascinating. what are we now 14 months out from the election? if you go back to 2008 in a race then, guess who was at the top of the republican ticket at that