>> i agree that i like the substance, but i was missing some of the distinction between the candidates. >> dave: what distinction? >> there was a lot of agreement on social security, medicare, the accountability factor, putting skin in the game. cost factors, back to the people. but what we didn't see was distinction, however, when you look at lincoln douglas style, it was always long speeches, 60 minutes for the first, 90 minutes for the second originally. now, it was more of a congenial, i don't know, i don't know if i call it a love fest, but there wasn't a distinct-- >> this is a different era than lincoln douglas. this is a very different era. did it work for you? was there a winner heather. >> i think that the american people were the winners. look at the response of the audience, they love the fact for a change they were actually having a substantive discussion, they were not about tearing the other one down or differentiating. they were actually talking seriously about policy and having the 30 minute extended discussions on things that the super committee is it not dealing with, 62% of the