after failing to get the 10,000 signatures required to make it on that virginia primary ballot, is it time now for rick perry to call it quits? our washington insiders are here now for a fair and balanced debate. former campaign manager for governor michael dukakis is susan and supporter of governor rick perry's presidential campaign is matt keland. thanks so much for being with us, guys. i'll start with you, does rick perry need to get out of the race? >> absolutely not. it's preposterous to think that. if you look back to where bill clinton was at this point, a lot of people probably thought that but he worked hard and never gave up and ended up being elected twice as the president of the united states. look, the virginia ballot thing, if it disqualified everybody, only paul and romney would be left in the race. the state will be looked at very closely. you may see them put somebody