getting too independent and not afraid of him any more, and possibly he just -- i know she's told me in the past that when they would have arguments and fights about things and talk about divorce he would say thins, like you're not getting the kids unless it's over my dead body. gregg: was he physically abusive with her? >> not that i ever saw or that she ever told me. she said that he did push her once, but she didn't tell me that he hit her. he was very verbally abusive and put her down a lot. gregg: yeah. if i may i want to play a sound byte of josh powell and this i believe was shortly after susan vanished. so this would have been december of 2009. take a listen to this. >> do you have any idea what happened to her? >> no. thank you. any help to try to find her would be appreciated so, really