or whatever the stock slides. the company has problems. isn't that enough punishment? >> absolutely, brenda. you know, i'm flabbergasted at some of the things i've heard, not to mention what chris said. oh, my gosh, people are worried. and i asked my wife about this, did you hear jp morgan lost 2 billion dollars and she goes, yeah, so? right, right, how is it going to affect her and us? it's not. they're running a business, they made a mistake, whatever, so what? so maybe it cost them the company. they go out of business. fine. can we live without jp morgan, yes. we're living without lehman brothers for crying out loud. aig is on its last legs and it's not going to pull down the economy. they lost money, so what. >> brenda: no, it's important to note that this is a trading loss of course, it's not a net loss, they're still doing okay. toby, go ahead. >> so, this is-- what really sort of gets me now, is that chris, all due