idea being that their prescriptions for the country are outdated and would take us back to the bad old days. >> shannon: you did press axlerod on how he plans to balance the budget? >> yeah. well, i kind of was a setup because i said to him, how does he plan to balance the budget? he got animated and started talking about how the ryan plan doesn't balance the budget. but of course he knew why i was asking, that the president, according to the congressional budget office, never balances the budget. never addresses the major structural problems with entitlements like medicare. so -- look, neither of these are perfect candidates. i think the best way to play defense with the obama campaign is to play offense, by attacking the other guys. >> shannon: in tampa, the latino