being on the attack, look presidential and want look mean and angry? >> it's really tough, greta. >> this is the problem. when you lose the first debate, al gore learned this in 2000. it can get in your head. he sighed too much the first time and the second time tdidn't work well. the third time, you try something else. it looks like you are trying on personas. and so you get psyched out if you don't come out of the gate with a strong performance. everybody's telling you do this, do that and they are watching so much more carefully. but you have the balance right. i think that -- i think a core problem is that his base is deflated. before he went on the debate, talking to the middle, he has to give the red meat, saying, i'm a fighter and appeal to the middle. that's a tough balance. >> greta: did he sell to you that he wanted the job, did you get sense he really want this is job? >> i didn't think so. i think the reason he doesn't have a second-term agend a. you have seen the liberal pundits notice he doesn't have a