we have today. i am not so sure that these cuts in domestic discretionary spending, okay, are going to be forever. no one congress can bind the next. i think that republicans are foolish to think that those domestic cuts are really going to-- >> look, it's the long-term protection of defense, but i think we ought to be concerned about and the fact is we're not going to be able to be in military super power if they're not an economic super power. and we also know you can't grow your debt and spending faster than our economy and expect this to work out. it would be great if we didn't have to worry about what stuff costs, including defense, but we tried that. it was the obama first term debt roughly doubled to about 12 trillion dollars. so, the-- >> and what an elaborate-- >> and one thing, we're sort of having a discussion, he wants to take the hemlock, i want to take the cyanide, and these are not -- these are some bad-- >> it's a way to get to a